Carroll Cave Conservancy Meeting
April 18, 1998
1112 N. Maple
Eldon, MO
presented by Mary Williams
Lather, Peddgie Heinz, Bob Parks, Doug Feakes, Mary Williams, Wayne Burnett,
Terry DeFraties
of the previous meeting. Those present seconded and passed his motion.
Treasurer's Report was presented by Wayne Burnett. He announced that CCC had
$100 in its account.
CCC's attorney, Bill Hayes with Shook, Hardy and Bacon, advised CCC not to
change the release form. CCC can treat minors on a case-by case basis since
only responsible parties of a majority (18) can sign a liability release form
and have it mean anything. Bill Hayes also suggested that we not include an
expiration date on the release form.
An update of personal information was made by Rick H. as he passed around a
sign up sheet for the next dig (April 25 & 26. 1998).
steel needed to cover the opening to the dig site. He also had plans to
replace the ropes in the pulley system with a steel pipe frame. A possible
source of the steel is from an old Camden county bridge near the junction of
MO hwy 7 and county road # 765. The steel is 6" channel pipe. Martha Hoegler
agreed to talk to the Eastern County Road Commissioner for Camden County to
see if CCC can take some pipe.
Survey, Hydrology/Dye Tracing, NSS/MSS/MCKC Liaison.
currently owned the land that the dig is located. However, he is trading the
acreage with some that his brother inherited. Greg's brother supports the
efforts of CCC but Greg Fry will probably continue to be involved and act as
an intermediary between CCC and his brother.
slowly when driving through the pasture to the dig site.
address to anyone who was interested. The site's address is:
http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/canopy/2072/
Marty Griffin made thewebpage and the newsletter is edited by Bill Pfantz.
others established the campsite on the last dig. A few rosebushes were left
to be removed later. The outhouse site has been selected and we have
landowner permission to cut a few trees for the project. Someone mentioned
that it would be nice to get an old propane stove for the campsite. Terry
said that he could provide a cover for it when the stove wasn't used.
a great deal of money (ex. Rick - $100 for stabilization cloth, Doug - $70 for
propane, and more funds were spent for pulleys, rope, drain pipe and more).
The question was raised, "Where can we get the funds necessary to cover our
material costs?" Most people agreed CCC needed no more than $1,000-$2,000 per
year. Rick got e-mail from a Robert Kramer of the MSS. He expressed some
support for the Carroll Cave dig project. He mentioned that the MSS has some
funds available for cave gating. Wayne referred to some funds that the MVOR
has for various cave related projects. He intended to investigate this avenue
while attending the Spring MVOR. Several corporate sponsors were mentioned as
a possible fund source as well. Ron Lather agreed to review some NSS News
back issues for ideas.
the objective being to give CCC greater credibility with potential corporate
or foundation sponsors. Many were reluctant to follow through with this until
Rick could get more information from Bill Hayes regarding the potential legal
and tax benefits of the non-for-profit status. Besides the benefits Rick was
to find out what was involved in obtaining this status. Members agreed to
discuss this topic once Rick had that information (hopefully by the next
meeting)
removed >13 feet of mud that washed in from the December 14 dig where bats and
air were moving. The hole is now 31 feet deep.
The CCC needs to be sure to reinforce the hole before leaving each dig to
avoid losing ground like we did after the December dig. The hole must be
covered when possible. There is some rock protruding into the hole that needs
to be removed so that another steel pipe can be inserted into the hole and
attached to the surrounding rock with pins. A ring then can be placed around
the pipes at their juncture for additional stability.
Also, the sky crapper must be made as soon as possible.